On the fourth episode, Steffanie and Orchid recount their respective kids-free, “grown-up” vacations..and how you can never really feel 100% refreshed but at least you can sleep in.

In this episode:

We discuss Orchid’s belief that two queen beds on grown-up vacation is actually a marital win-win and why Steffanie’s #1 priority is pool-side drinking followed by 630pm dinner reservations.

About the show:

Mama Juice is a podcast for moms-to-be, never-moms, moms, tired moms, annoyed moms, dads and really just anyone who likes to drink wine and complain. The podcast is mostly an interview format between ourselves but also where Steffanie and I speak to famous, infamous and unfamous moms in our lives. Motherhood is a mother, and we're here to spill the tea.

Things mentioned in the show:

• Santa Barbara and Beaver Creek - two magical places we aspire to live in forever…but have no idea how people can afford to live there

• Oktoberfest - aka a German festival where you where this and drink a thousand beers.